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#1 me23

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Posted 30 November 2010 - 09:11 PM

Something that bothers me about Six Flags Great Adventure is that they always place rides in the most random places without any consideration to the theme of the area or the scenery around it! Like why is Superman: Ultimate Flight in the boardwalk?! Or Bizarro in frontierland?! I understand that Superman was originally planned to be an original layout but had to be moved to a different spot last minute because of the Jackson planning board...but they did not have to name it superman they could have named and themed it to something that better fit the area of the boardwalk! And Medusa already barely fit the area of frontierland as it was why would they redo it to Bizarro which completely disregards the area and created three different areas of gadv that have DC comic themes....that is ridiculous. And now they are once again doing this by adding the "Green Lantern" to the boardwalk.....sometimes its like they're not even trying

Edited by JJ2K, 01 December 2010 - 11:40 AM.
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Posted 30 November 2010 - 11:04 PM

I understand where you are coming from. The park should definitely consider more carefully planning out the locations of their themed attractions. I think that previous management didn't see very much importance in the location of the ride, as long as it was themed to something, because they thought the general public wouldn't be affected. In turn, I think that the GP definitely have taken notice in recent seasons, especially with the re theme of Medusa, into Bizarro. I have heard countless comments from friends questioning what the point was, ect…

Hopefully new management will take up the point that you bring to the table. The general public definitely does care about ride placement; Every aspect of each and individual ride matters.


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Posted 01 December 2010 - 09:19 AM

Please, no back-seat modding.

BUT I will agree and say to use proper grammar while posting.
Until you do, and until I decipher what you are trying to say, topic closed.
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Posted 01 December 2010 - 11:48 AM

Because I share your opinion I took the liberty to edit your post....but in the future please do a much better job.

I've been very vocal about how much I despise that we have three different areas of our park with DC comic themes....its my biggest pet peeve about the park right now. I find this to be extremely pathetic! Before GASM's removal I've brought up that I'd like Superman to be repainted as is but swap the yellow rails to white rails and completely change the colors of the trains to a brown with yellow restraints with the first car to be white. And retheme it to be the "Great American Bald Eagle". This would have blended great along with GASM and still been a great theme for a flying coaster. Obviously now with Green lantern there goes that idea. Now the best option is to just revert Bizarro back to Medusa....unfortunately I don't see that happeneing anytime soon. If it were me I would do just that and then retheme the end of the boardwalk to be "Justice League headquarters" and movietown to be "Gotham City" and place Nitro in LTSP or just non-associated to any section.
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Posted 01 December 2010 - 02:00 PM

Six Flags and Cedar Fair = Amusement Park. Disney and Universal = Theme Parks. ;)

Adding Green Lantern to the Boardwalk and adding Intimidator 305 the Congo section = okay. However adding Hulk to the Wizarding World of Harry Potter would be an obvious disaster.Theming isn't the top priority. Do you come to GAdv to escape? Do you think the GP really cares. Do you think Six Flags even cares? When they have an idea, and a partner, they're going to put something where it can fit, no matter what.
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Posted 01 December 2010 - 03:14 PM

adding Hulk to the Wizarding World of Harry Potter



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Posted 01 December 2010 - 08:19 PM

The GP does care. Not the ratty teenagers (no offense), but the paying families do. That's one of the reasons most families say Hershey is better than us. Hershey takes time to theme (some of) their rides and areas, especially the entrance area. I was reading the Trip Advisors for GADV for fun, and one of the big complaints was that "they have themed areas but it's hard to tell when you leave and enter different sections". I'm tired of hearing that people don't care - they really do. I don't expect us to get the next Wizarding World of Harry Potter, but polite attempts really will make a difference. For instance, themed music helps add to the theme of each area. Banjo music playing in a section with structures made of wood tells you the area has a rustic theme. Same with jungle music playing in an area filled with plants, or movie music playing in a nicely trimmed area with a backlot theme.

One of the best ways the park can do this other than music is theming the food options. I know at Alton Towers, their Burger King goes under the name "Pirate's Galley" or something like that. When I went to Kings Dominion in 2009, the Chick-Fil-A had an Eliza Thornberry theme. All of the food options can be themed, even if they are generic foods. Simple stuff like changing the Papa John's in Movietown to "Backlot Commissary" or changing the Panda Express to the name of some Chinese pirate would be cool ... even if the real logo was placed under the themed one.

I think Green Lantern is the perfect opportunity to transform Boardwalk into a DC Comics-themed area, but this is probably just a dream of mine. We'll see what happens, but people DO care about theming. No one wants to wait in a boring line with gravel all around them instead of waiting in a themed ride with stuff to read and look at.

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Posted 01 December 2010 - 10:26 PM

Sorry about my gammer im not "the brightest tool in the shed" as you would say.
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Posted 01 December 2010 - 11:35 PM

No one wants to wait in a boring line with gravel all around them instead of waiting in a themed ride with stuff to read and look at.

Yeah families care about some theming, which is what Shapiro was trying to do, and GAdv needs to work on. But you can't compare GAdv to Hershey in terms of theming, Hershey has a generalized theme, Six Flags doesn't. Catch my drift?

And you're right, no one wants to stand around in line with boring gravel, thats why they probably wont do that anymore.
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Posted 02 December 2010 - 12:03 AM

I remember reading that that the Golden Kingdom and Plaza Del Carnaval were just the beginning and Burke had plans to make the whole park like that. It's too bad we didn't get a chance to see if that would happen or not since the Golden Kingdom is almost Disney quality (or at least I think it is)
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Posted 02 December 2010 - 12:51 AM

^ Yes we really got screwed when Kierian burke was ousted.....but only gadv! His plan was to completely retheme every area of the park with 25 - 40 million dollar investments every year just to gadv to make us the only SFI destination resort. He promised to add major rides to SFMM, SFgam and SFoT every other year but pretty much said (without actually saying) that every other park in the SF chain was gonna be neglected.

I also disagree on the notion that Six Flags and cedar fair = amusement parks. That simply isn't true! Morey's pier, Casino Pier, Funtown Pier.....those are amusement parks! SFI and cedar fair are definitly theme parks! And SFI really pulled away from attention to themeing at gadv specifically in favor of ride names that they feel they can market better to the GP. Lets be honest whats gonna bring more people into the park a roller coaster named the Great American Bald Eagle or Superman: Ultimate Flight?! The GP aren't like us they don't go online and look at layouts, they hear a name and judge the coaster by that. One of the many reasons TDK was such a failure was because of its name.

Another problem though with SFI and CF is the shear number of parks they operate. When you have a company thet big its inevitable that all of the parks income gets pooled into one big number and then distributed in such a way that the highest profitting parks NEVER get the same money put in that they make for the company as a whole. Instead money made from the higher profiting parks ends up being used to help the smaller parks. I mean think about it all of the major theme parks that you think as GREATLY themed don't have that many properties that they operate: Disney, Universal, Busch, Hershey, Dollywood. They all have very few locations to worry about so the money made from each park is better distributed. Where as SFI can make the decision of greatly themeing a ride here at gadv or skipping that and adding a whole nother ride to another smaller park....they're gonna choose the later everytime because it better helps the company as a whole.

This is why I want SFI to dump many of their properties and revert all the way down to just 9 simple properties: Gadv, Gam, MM, SFoT, SFoG, SFFT, SFDK, SFNE, and SFstl and thats it! These are parks that have proven their worth and do bring in enough money to support themsleves. Other parks like La ronde, SFA, SFM just need to be dumped cause our money is in some way or another being used to keep them afloat.
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Posted 02 December 2010 - 05:44 PM

It's my honest opinion that Six Flags should only keep Great Adventure, Great America, and the three original parks. I don't mean to sound extremist - but it's my honest opinion. I think these five parks reflect best what the chain is looking for.

When the chain was considering selling Magic Mountain a few years ago, I felt they were making the right decision. Magic Mountain is grounded in grimy thrill rides, which is why themed family rides haven't really worked out for them lately. "Six Stabs Tragic Mountain" is going to be a dirty, grimy theme park or at least have that image for a while, and I feel it would have been better for them to sell that park with all the others that were sold.

My plan would be for the chain to sell off most of the other parks. I know some of the other parkies are going to hate me for this - but I feel that Six Flags New England and Fiesta Texas would be good for Cedar Fair to take. Six Flags Discovery Kingdom would be good as a Busch park, since it has lots of animals which are not taken care of well. La Ronde can be sold to a French company, as well as Six Flags Mexico. Great Escape should be run on its own.

As for Six Flags America - it might as well close. It's a joke; especially when compared to Kings Dominion not too far away. The park can be closed, and all the rides sent to other parks. There isn't much theming or landscaping to speak of, so it would not be much of a loss. Batwing can be sent to Six Flags Over Texas or Six Flags St. Louis, and Superman can be sent to St. Louis. The other flat rides can be distributed to other parks.

As a smaller chain, Six Flags can promise rides to each of its five parks every year, whether their big additions or small ones.


Sorry to all the SFNE fans for my extremist views, but it's what I feel would be best for the company; Along with getting back the Thomas licensing.
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Posted 02 December 2010 - 05:53 PM

Wow how did we get this thread here. But I do agree with you, although I consider SFStL, SFNE, SFDK, and SFFT as all on the same level in the chain. I don't think SFNE and SFFT would benefit at all by being sold to CF, and thats not just because its my homepark, but its considered a lot of the time by enthusiasts to be a small SF hidden gem. Same with SFFT. CF would ruin that.

Why do you say SFDK animals aren't taken care of well?
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Posted 02 December 2010 - 06:38 PM

I'm neutral about theming. Meh. It's not an issue to me...just give me more coasters and lots of flats and I'm happy. I wouldn't care if they put something next to El Toro and named it Hello Kitty!
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Posted 02 December 2010 - 06:47 PM

you don't think you would but it would bother you if they accually did
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